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I live in the Greater Davis Square Area, and I have jury duty in a few weeks at the Somerville District Court, on Fellsway. I am trying to figure out how best to get there on the T, and mbta.com and maps.google.com are giving me radically different information.

According to the MBTA Trip Planner, this trip is going to take me about an hour. I walk to Davis Square and catch any a variety of buses (depending on how early I want to arrive) which by way of Sullivan Station and sometimes a transfer, will drop me off on the same side of RT 93 as the courthouse.

According to Google Maps, I can make the trip in under forty minutes, by taking the 89 bus to Foss Park, and then walking along McGrath Highway, and crossing RT 93. This route involves crossing two highway ramps on foot and using the McGrath Highway underpass. I zoomed in with with satellite view, and, yeah, there are white pedestrian-crossing lines on the pavement. Street view doesn't go under the highway.

I have no personal familiarity with the area. Does anybody who has made this pilgrimage before know if the Google Maps route is actually safe for pedestrians?

P.S. The court's own web page just says "Take the #92", which is apparently completely unhelpful.

Date: 2010-09-08 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thespian.livejournal.com
take the 90 from Davis Square, through Sullivan but not all the way to Wellington. it'll drop you off in front of the Bed Bath and Beyond in Assembly Square. The courtyard is basically directly behind it; turn to either direction (left to the K-Mart is slightly shorter), and walk around the building. Takes about 5 minutes.

(to clarify: the bus takes about 20 minutes. the walking about 5. Unless you do it by way of AC Moore and the Christmas Tree Shops).
Edited Date: 2010-09-08 09:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-09-08 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thespian.livejournal.com
google maps, I should note, has some weird things where I have frequently had to pin the route differently to get the most efficient route (especially while walking). MBTA is more irritating because they *always* seem to believe that a 4 minute walk trumps a 6 minute walk, even when the slightly longer walk is 40 minutes less travel time, or fewer transfers, or whatever. there *are* bus stops closer to the courtyard (I had a hearing there 3 weeks ago), but they're all much fussier trips.

(btw, when you get there, they will tell you to put your cell phone in the car, and they'll get very pissy with you if you say you don't have one. They *do* have envelopes that security will hold onto if you ask them to, but they don't like doing it and they will never volunteer the envelopes. So when you initially ask, they will hem and haw. Make sure you insist and they'll bring it out. )

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Date: 2010-09-08 11:14 pm (UTC)
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Sand Castle is awesome.

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Date: 2010-09-08 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thespian.livejournal.com
i first saw it when i was 7 or 8, and it's seriously haunted me since.

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Date: 2010-09-08 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
You can indeed walk under I-93 at a place called the 'Kensington underpass', behind Stop & Shop. There are crosswalks, but no signal lights, so use caution here. This is *not* the McGrath Highway underpass that cars use.

Bus 92 goes from Haymarket to Sullivan Square to Assembly Square -- but not at all hours, so check the schedules if you want to use this. Bus 95 runs along Mystic Avenue from Sullivan Square and may also be useful going to, but not back from, the courthouse.
Edited Date: 2010-09-08 09:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-09-08 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] georgy.livejournal.com
This overpass is also as dodgy as hell.

Date: 2010-09-09 03:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] totient
Bus 92 goes from Haymarket to Sullivan Square to Assembly Square -- but not at all hours

And indeed, not at the hours that anyone would need to be at the courthouse. The first arrival there on a weekday is not until 9:25 -- not even useful for trial participants, let alone jurors. I don't understand why the court's website would even mention it.

Is Google Maps trying to lure me to my death?

Date: 2010-09-08 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com
When I had to do it I just sprang for a taxi. But I'm impatient like that. :-)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
+1 on this. I really couldn't figure it out, and decided that <$10 was a useful investment.

Date: 2010-09-08 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
I just now asked Google Maps for the same public transit directions, and it is entirely wrong about how to walk from Foss Park to the courthouse. Don't even try to follow it. Instead, the underpass you want is this one -- the line that roughly connects Stop & Shop to K-Mart.

(Wait for the Google map to fully load, and the popup to appear -- this may take some time)
Edited Date: 2010-09-08 10:39 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2010-09-08 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredrickegerman.livejournal.com
Would you consider filing a bug? Street view showing the nightmare location and a suggested alternative seems to help. I got some biking bugs fixed this way.

Date: 2010-09-08 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turil.livejournal.com
Yeah, I use that path a lot. It's more bark and very little bite, as it looks bad, but really isn't. Just wait for a break in traffic or wave politely while looking at the oncoming drivers directly, so that they know you're serious about taking your right of way in the crosswalk.

Date: 2010-09-09 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] treacle-well.livejournal.com
The pedestrian crossings are weird, ugly, and not all that intuitive, but they are reasonably safe and if you pay attention you can figure out how to cross. But don't expect anyone to stop for you--you'll need to wait for lulls in traffic or wait in places where there are actual walk signals, depending on exactly the route you choose. What makes it fairly safe as long as you stay attentive is that you only have to cross where traffic is going in one direction--so you're not having to keep an eye on traffic in multiple directions, and it's all near on and off-ramp locations so traffic isn't traveling at 60+ mph.

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Date: 2010-09-09 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] balsamicdragon.livejournal.com
yeah, there is no real way to get there by public transport without risking life and limb. But taking the bus to Bed, Bath and then walking across the street near the Christmas Tree store is probably the best way. You'll want to enter around the back I believe.

Date: 2010-09-09 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talonvaki.livejournal.com
That just seems wrong to me, that you can't easily get to something like a courthouse using public transportation. It's not like we live in the middle of Idaho or something. Something as basic as a courthouse should be accessible to the public by public transportation.

I'm glad I lived in Boston when I had jury duty. Government Center is easy to get to on the T!

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Date: 2010-09-09 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trtls.livejournal.com
Been there done that.....and I don't suggest it. I had to hop to fences and racea against traffic with no crosswalk. Definitely just take the 90 from Davis and you'll be fine. You only have to walk to the back side (not scary) of Assembly Sq mall where the courthouse is.

Date: 2010-09-09 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
You shouldn't have to hop any fences to get to this courthouse. The route I suggested above involves no fence climbing.

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Date: 2010-09-09 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlecitynames.livejournal.com
Meh. This crossing, while complicated, is safe. I lived in the Ten Hills neighborhood and did it a lot, just make sure you look both ways every time you cross. But as thespian said, the 90 is easiest if you're nervous.

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taxi?

Date: 2010-09-09 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dahdahdahdancer.livejournal.com
At that time of the morning, you don't want to be experimenting with wayfinding. Do a dry run ahead of time. Or maybe just spring for a taxi.

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