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[livejournal.com profile] ron_newman writes,
    Here's an update regarding the lawsuit against me. (Normally I would post this to Davis Square LiveJournal, but LJ is so hosed right now that I am not able to post anything to it at all.)

    Jonathan Monsarrat's lawyer, Mark Ishman, has reached an agreement with my lawyer, Dan Booth, to extend the deadline for filing a response to his lawsuit. The deadline will now be June 10 instead of May 20. My lawyer will file this agreement with the court by the original deadline of May 20.

    The delay is intended to buy time to resolve this matter amicably. Meanwhile, my lawyer will continue to prepare his motion to dismiss the case.

    Ishman was unaware that his client was sending out Doe Letters and Doe E-mails, until a lawyer for one or more of the Does contacted him. Ishman said he never authorized his client to send any of these, and he promised to restrain his client from sending any more of them. Ishman also promised my lawyer that JonMon will no longer send out press releases, and will not visit anyone's house (even while at the same time denying that his client had done this already).


[ Ron is having trouble posting to LiveJournal due to the problems they're having today, but I've been able to post today and he said to go ahead and post so let's see if this works. ]

Date: 2013-05-16 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
I am glad Mr. Ishman is acting in the best interests of both the community and his client.

Date: 2013-05-16 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duffless2323.livejournal.com
Easy for his lawyer to say after the fact.
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Date: 2013-05-17 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sommerfeld2.livejournal.com
Some cases are taken on a contingency basis, where the plaintiff's lawyer only gets paid - or only gets well paid - if they win the case.

Date: 2013-05-17 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluesauce.livejournal.com
I have doubts that anyone would take a case this poor on contingency.

Date: 2013-05-16 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keithn.livejournal.com
That is great to hear. Given that Dan Booth was not seriously expecting a productive response, I have to assume this is a better than expected scenario.

Still, I wonder what "resolving this matter amicably" means. When all of the claims against Ron are totally bogus, what is the middle ground? If there are legitimate claims, they are against individuals who are not Ron. Is Ishman going to insist Ron delete posts that he did not make and is not responsible for?

I guess we'll have to just wait. Good luck, Ron.

Date: 2013-05-16 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tikva.livejournal.com
I bet it means "please don't nail us for frivolous lawsuits".

Date: 2013-05-17 01:59 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-17 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
He can't insist Ron delete those posts. Ron's not responsible for either the content or the removal, from what I understand.

The reality is that "amicably" probably means "Let's pull the plug on this before it gets worse."

Date: 2013-05-17 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
If I deleted other people's posts or comments in response to groundless threats, I would be abusing the trust that people here have placed in me to (co-)administer this community fairly.

ETA: Not to mention that many of the posts and comments are in [livejournal.com profile] davis_snark, where I'm not a maintainer, or [livejournal.com profile] sf_drama, where I'm not even a member, or journalfen.net, where I don't even have an account (and the supposedly offending post has already been deleted).
Edited Date: 2013-05-17 01:45 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-17 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jikamens.livejournal.com
If Ishman is rational and at least minimally competent, he now understands that he has been screwed over by his client and is caught between a rock and a hard place.

If so, then the extension he has negotiated with Booth is to give him time to try to convince JonMon that continuing to pursue the suit is folly and the best course of action is to withdraw it with prejudice as requested.

If he is unable to convince JonMon of that, then I suspect he will petition the court to withdraw as JonMon's counsel, on the grounds that his client is refusing to listen to his advice and/or that he can no longer advocate in good faith that the suit should proceed.

Having said all that, after seeing how thoroughly Booth demolished the original complaint in his letter (I knew the complaint was bogus even before reading Booth's response, but holy cow, I didn't realize it was that bogus), one cannot help but wonder if in fact Ishman is rational and at least minimally competent. We can only hope that he is, at least enough to realize the depth of the doo-doo he is currently standing in.

It is also possible that the complaint wasn't actually written by Ishman (and if not, you only get one guess as to who actually wrote it). It would hardly be the first time that a non-lawyer decided to play lawyer or that a lawyer took money from a client to file a suit on his behalf without putting in enough due diligence on what he was being paid to file.

Date: 2013-05-17 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
At this point, Mr. Ishman may want to be seeking _his_ own legal counsel.

Date: 2013-05-17 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstfrost.livejournal.com
It is also possible that the complaint wasn't actually written by Ishman (and if not, you only get one guess as to who actually wrote it)

I will note that the complaint was not actually signed by Ishman, it appears to me to have been signed by JonMon, "with permission".

Date: 2013-05-17 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achinhibitor.livejournal.com
Having skimmed the complaint myself, I'm sure that much of it was not written by a lawyer, it just isn't written in the right style. I talked to an Actual Lawyer about this, and he noted that there is a movement in the legal profession to get the clients to do some part of the work, which allows the lawyer to do less of the work and thus charge the client less, which the clients are clamoring for right now. That suggests to me that it's possible that Ishman allowed Jonmon to write the details of the complaints. Which wouldn't seem to be a bad idea up-front, since Jonmon is a smart guy, and does have various degrees from respected schools.

Date: 2013-05-17 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duffless2323.livejournal.com
I don't care to speculate about Ishman. I don't care about Ishman,his motives or if he's been screwed over. I care about me, and how I've been screwed over. Once he was hired 100% his responsibility to know what he's getting into. He gets no boo hoos from me, and i'll not waste mental energy on trying to figure him out. 2cents.
Edited Date: 2013-05-17 01:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-17 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jikamens.livejournal.com
I imagine that some of us are speculating about Ishman because it is interesting to try to imagine the ways in which things might play out.

On a more practical level, what Ishman does, at least in the short term, is inextricably linked to what happens to the lawsuit and its defendants named and unnamed, and what he does is inextricably linked to his motives and whether he's been screwed over.

While I agree with you that Ishman was responsible for knowing what was in the complaint filed with his permission, (a) we don't actually know that the complaint that was actually filed, was filed with his permission, and (b) even if he was aware of the content of the complaint and did not do the due diligence he should have, I hardly think he could have anticipated the Doe letters, in-person visits to Does' houses, or press release identifying him as a partner in a business he has nothing to do with.

It is possible that Ishman is lying about not knowing about any of those things, but given what we know about his client, I think it's more likely that he is telling the truth, and he is a victim in this mess too.

From a pragmatic point of view, it seems to me that treating him as a victim in this mess is more likely to yield results favorable to the defendants than treating him as a perpetrator, because it gives him the ability to retreat with less loss of face.

Date: 2013-05-17 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] also-huey.livejournal.com
"Dismissed with prejudice", i.e: Ronmon goes away and promises that he won't come back?

Date: 2013-05-17 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gruene.livejournal.com
New "joint venture"?

Date: 2013-05-17 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
This has all been publicity for a merger. Watch out, layoffs are coming.

Date: 2013-05-17 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] also-huey.livejournal.com
Your honor, I plead 'insufficient coffee'.

Date: 2013-05-17 03:33 pm (UTC)
clauclauclaudia: (south park bun)
From: [personal profile] clauclauclaudia
Yeah. From wikipedia:

Thus, in a civil case, dismissal without prejudice is a dismissal that allows for re-filing of the case in the future. The present action is dismissed but the possibility remains open that the plaintiff may file another suit on the same claim. The inverse phrase is dismissal with prejudice, in which the plaintiff is barred from filing another case on the same claim. Dismissal with prejudice is a final judgment and the case becomes res judicata on the claims that were or could have been brought in it; dismissal without prejudice is not.

Date: 2013-05-16 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Thanks for sharing this on Ron's behalf! An interesting development indeed.

Date: 2013-05-16 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rufinia.livejournal.com
I hope that ishman has control over JonMon and prevents any more visits.

It's important that if any more letters show up, let me or [livejournal.com profile] thetathx1138 know so we can add it to the list.

Date: 2013-05-17 02:50 am (UTC)
siderea: (The Charmer)
From: [personal profile] siderea
I'm curious: what happens when an attorney can't control a client and prevent them from doing things like this? Or in any event fails to manage it? Does the attorney fire the client?

Date: 2013-05-17 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
"How does an attorney fire a client?" -> 8 million Google hits

(this observation is for informative purposes only)

Date: 2013-05-17 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
There is no better expert on how seemingly rational utterly irrational people can be than a lawyer. My aunts and my mother are all lawyers, have worked both public service and private practice, and they've all been sucked into difficult situations and had trouble getting out.

Date: 2013-05-17 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rufinia.livejournal.com
If the relationship is irreparable, you can move to withdraw, yeah.

Date: 2013-05-17 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Thanks, [livejournal.com profile] cos, for posting this for me. I hope LJ gets back to normal soon!

Date: 2013-05-17 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzielizzie.livejournal.com
I approve this message.

Date: 2013-05-17 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hahathor.livejournal.com
Ishman also promised my lawyer that JonMon will no longer send out press releases

Oopsie! (http://prsync.com/monsarrat/jon-monsarrat-brings-general-electric-and-citigroup-power-to-expose-cyberbullies-542401/)
Edited Date: 2013-05-17 11:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-17 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beinneighe.livejournal.com
I like how he made changes based on the comments made here about the last press release (e.g., changing "BA", which MIT does not award, to "bachelor's"). The typos and phrasing/diction issues still kill me, though. Well, that and the content.
Edited Date: 2013-05-17 11:48 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-17 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] also-huey.livejournal.com
That is COMPLETELY AWESOME.

Date: 2013-05-17 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
At this point Ishman needs to show Booth that he can be trusted. He's not doing well right now.

Date: 2013-05-20 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] samus-aran.livejournal.com
until a lawyer for one or more of the Does contacted him

That was [initiated by] my handiwork *curtsey*. I'm not the lawyer, but I know one, and she's got her hackles up over this BS on our behalf. We fully expect these jerks to fuck off now, but we'll see what actually happens.

Date: 2013-05-23 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
Thank you!

Date: 2013-05-24 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jmwolman.livejournal.com
Please feel free to have the lawyer you know contact me, [livejournal.com profile] samus_aran. I represent one of the Does and I wonder if the original post is referencing my letter to Ishman.
Edited Date: 2013-05-24 01:46 pm (UTC)

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