[identity profile] davelew.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] davis_square
I need someplace to vent, and this seems appropriate.

Every weekday, my route home from my work takes me down Bristol Rd, across Broadway at Ball Square, and onto Willow Ave. Nearly every day, someone coming the opposite direction on Willow Ave and turning left cuts me off at the traffic light. It's like people driving up Willow have no idea that it's a four-way intersection, and think they can turn left at will without yielding to oncoming traffic.

Today, a car cut me off, then slowed down. The four cars behind them closed ranks, and all crept past (while I honked and debated the merits of T-Boning them) until my light had changed from green to red. I had to shift into reverse and back up onto Bristol to avoid the Broadway traffic.

Then, to make matters worse, the car waiting in line at Willow nearly hit me when it tried to turn left onto Broadway through my car. I had just honked at four cars, how did she not know I was there? Is there a cloaking field covering the end of Bristol that masks my honking? Or is it a rudeness field over the end of Willow that makes drivers not care?

Date: 2007-08-30 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com
I seriously think there *is* a cloaking field there :(. Between the funny angle Bristol comes in at and how rarely it has traffic, I've not noticed oncoming traffic from it sometimes. I have to remind myself consciously to check Bristol when I'm making my right turn off of Willow whereas with any other street it would be duh, helLO, oncoming traffic?!?

It's very strange. Sorry it is giving you trouble :(.

Date: 2007-08-30 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] righteousness-1.livejournal.com
Yeah, that junction sucks. Put on your brights while you wait at the lights. They'll see you then. My rant is that drivers are affected by even more blindness when it comes to stop signs on the rotary at Powderhouse. They don't just sail in a trance onto the rotary but they wilfully speed up just to see if they can side impact you. A honk is generally met with a smelly finger.

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Date: 2007-08-30 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikergeek.livejournal.com
I know the street you mean. An appropriate engineering solution might be separate green phases for traffic exiting Bristol and traffic exiting Willow. Another might be a sign facing the traffic exiting from Willow: "LEFT TURN MUST YIELD ON GREEN (O)" (where the "(O)" is the "green ball" symbol) to remind drivers that they're supposed to yield to traffic proceeding "straight".

Date: 2007-08-30 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com
Given how commonly people ignore the "no turn on red" sign which faces Willow in a fairly conspicuous manner, I'm doubting the signage solution.

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Date: 2007-08-30 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] secretlyironic.livejournal.com
Does anyone also hate the way that routes 16 and 2 intersect? If you're coming off Route 2 eastbound and making the left onto 16, there's a place where there really ought to be only one lane, and only one lane is marked, but people line up in in 2 rows... then when the light turns green, both rows of traffic have to merge with the two westbound lanes into 2 very narrow lanes on 16 heading towards mass ave.

Usually if I can't get in the leftmost lane there, I go for the honking-and-praying style of merging.

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Date: 2007-08-30 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzielizzie.livejournal.com
I don't feel like the markings and signage are clear in that area. I wish they'd fix that. I always make it 2 lanes, because otherwise the backup there can be horrific.

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Date: 2007-08-30 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmd.livejournal.com
bring back the rotary!

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Date: 2007-08-30 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
The fun part of that intersection is where three lanes of traffic have a green light and have to immediately merge into 2 lanes right in the intersection. Two of those lanes are traffic coming from Fresh Pond going left onto Route 2; the third is the single-lane road coming from the Alewife garage.

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Date: 2007-08-30 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com
Does anyone not hate that?

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Date: 2007-08-30 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grapefruiteater.livejournal.com
I go through that intersection every day, making the left from Willow onto Broadway. It can be hard to see traffic coming from Bristol for whatever reason. Maybe it's the angle of the street, as others have suggested—it's not EXACTLY across from Willow, so it's a little out of my field of vision when I'm sitting at the corner of Willow and Broadway.

Another thing I hate about that intersection is the morons who park in the no-parking zones at the end of Willow. It makes it difficult for other vehicles, particularly larger ones, to turn onto the street. A few weeks ago I was almost taken out by a garbage truck that had very little room to maneuver around an illegally parked van.

Date: 2007-08-31 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiositykt.livejournal.com
and the people who illegally park at the end of bristol and thus people figure my car is just "parked" as opposed to trying to actually leave bristol road.

Date: 2007-08-30 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danger-chick.livejournal.com
Do you have a red car? I just heard that people don't see red cars very easily. Goodness knows why, since my car is often called "arrest me" red.

Date: 2007-08-30 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] afty.livejournal.com
I'm a newcomer to the Davis area, and I have to admit I made this mistake just yesterday while driving up Willow and turning left onto Broadway. I almost hit a woman coming from Bristol, who honked loudly at me -- actually, I would have hit her if not for the honk.

Date: 2007-08-30 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwodder.livejournal.com
sounds like everyone, everywhere, every day, driving in this town.

You're not REALLY surprised that people don't care if you are there/honk, are you?

Anyway, you're not describing anything specific to that intersection.

:D

Date: 2007-08-30 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grapefruiteater.livejournal.com
Well, yeah—there are lots of bad drivers in Somerville, and lots of asshole drivers, but there are lots of poorly designed roads and intersections, and the intersection in question is one of the worst. Scary drivers + bad intersections = maybe I should find a different way to drive to work.

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Date: 2007-08-30 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
I didn't even realize there was traffic entering that intersection from the north. I guess I thought that street was one-way away from Broadway.

Date: 2007-08-30 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukelele.livejournal.com
One-way toward.

Date: 2007-08-30 10:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cos
It is ridiculous to have the same green for Willow and Bristol at that intersection. There's no way drivers from Willow can be expected to notice it's a 4-way when it looks like a T; it's just setting people up for failure. Getting upset at them won't solve anything. Have you called your alderman? Really, seriously, call your alderman, this is exactly the sort of thing they exist for.

Date: 2007-08-30 10:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cos
(it occurs to me you may not live in that ward - call that ward's alderman anyway)

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Date: 2007-08-31 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] treacle-well.livejournal.com
I vote for cloaking field.

Date: 2007-08-31 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heliograph.livejournal.com
How about taking a different route? You know they'll get you eventually.

Date: 2007-08-31 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] billharnois.livejournal.com
My vote is for T-Boning someone to get your point across.

Date: 2007-08-31 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-m-i.livejournal.com
Don't worry about it - that intersection is in Ball Square, so you only have to wait two weeks before someone turns it - and everything else - into a breakfast joint.

Re: Response from Alderman Gewirtz

Date: 2007-08-31 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ron_newman
The Ward 5 alderman is Sean O'Donovan, not John.

Date: 2007-08-31 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boblothrope.livejournal.com
The same thing happens at the other end of Broadway at Mt Vernon Street, except that intersection is nice and square, so I have no idea why southbound drivers on Mt Vernon always turn left across my path when I'm trying to go straight northbound.

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Date: 2007-09-01 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grapefruiteater.livejournal.com
Boston & Broadway is also a bad intersection. Not as bad as Willow & Broadway, but not fun, either. I'm glad to hear that Somerville officials are looking at this. Has anyone been in touch with their counterparts in Medford?

Date: 2007-09-01 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amethystmoon.livejournal.com
When I lived on Bristol, I just learned to inch the hell up before the light turned green, be aggressive, and count on the fact that if I get rear-ended or someone hits the side of my car coming from Willow when I'm turning right on a green, they're at fault. I was rarely just going straight across though, which is much, much more of an issue. But then, I was also kind of hoping my car would get totaled... or stolen... it is still not cooperating with that wish... the car that will not die...

Date: 2007-09-04 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tt02144.livejournal.com
This has been a pet peeve of mine for a very long time! I think part of the reason for it is because there is not a lot of traffic coming out of Bristol Road, generally, so people actually are unaware that it's a street, and that the intersection, as you say, it 4-way. I also think it's because Willow Ave and Bristol Road don't line up exactly, like most intersections would. For this reason, I think many people truly don't realize that there could be cars coming from Bristol onto Willow. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt here, but trust me, I'm not so polite when I'm driving. I try to jump out ahead of cars which are turning, and honk if I have to!

Date: 2007-09-04 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tt02144.livejournal.com
I just finished reading all of the above responses. I thought I was the only one who hated the intersection of Route 2 and Route 16!! I also avoid it whenever possible. When I don't, I attempt to pull into the middle of the lane while awaiting a green light, so that (hopefully), noone will be able to pull alongside me. I'm not trying to be mean, I just think it's dangerous, when the light turns green, and then you have to merge into one lane, anyway, as well as merging with the lane to the right which is coming up from Fresh Pond. Sometimes I wonder what these engineers are thinking when they design roads!!

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